nixd2001
Oct 16, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by MacCoaster
I never said that it was depenedent on MHz. I simply stated 2000 sounds puny to 4000... FROM a marketing standpoint.
Agreed, 2000 vs 4000 sounds bad from a marketing performance viewpoint. But my issue was why are we getting in to comparing the numbers? This way of comparing manages to exclude anything about hardware build quality or software quality. I think the Mac community should be trying some agenda setting of its own regarding quality, rather than having to get defensive about numbers. All these number comparisons avoid many significant aspects and I was reacting to seeing another sub-thread starting on just a numbers comparison. For example, I've spent a while reading Cocoa documentation (not quite enough free time to really get down to interesting coding unfortunately though). So, for basically no effort, every text widget can benefit from text-to-speech and textual summarise capabilities - does MS offer this? These have no direct relationship to the performance numbers, but they strike me as pretty significant (at least noteworthy) capabilities. Likewise, when I'm typing, I get a voice telling me that Mozilla needs my attention and the focus remains precisely where it is until I decide to go and see what was upsetting Mozilla. Heck, I've tried that last item on a range of "generic" users and all have them have responded that they'd like to have that feature available. but nowhere in their reaction was there anything close to 2000 vs 4000 comparisons.
So my argument is that, by only talking about how the numbers are not what they seem, Mac users are ignoring the thing that really makes a difference, namely quality.
See post directly above for AMD Hammer. As for Intel's Itanium, I'm not sure. Let me check. I'll post the number in an edit.
Okay. Intel's Itanium has 6.4GB/sec memory bandwidth as stated here: http://www.intel.com/products/server/processors/server/itanium2/index.htm?iid=ipp_srvr_proc+itanium2srvr& so Apple and IBM are behind the pack already.
The memory bandwidth issue is going to be an interesting debate for a good few months to come. Elsewhere, we had a figure of about 19GB/S for Hammer, but spread across three buses, which makes for only fractionally higher peak bandwidth that either PPC970 or Itanium are talking about. It is very believable that the issue of how fast the CPU is is going to be largely irrelevant because future memory systems are going to struggle to keep up.
I never said that it was depenedent on MHz. I simply stated 2000 sounds puny to 4000... FROM a marketing standpoint.
Agreed, 2000 vs 4000 sounds bad from a marketing performance viewpoint. But my issue was why are we getting in to comparing the numbers? This way of comparing manages to exclude anything about hardware build quality or software quality. I think the Mac community should be trying some agenda setting of its own regarding quality, rather than having to get defensive about numbers. All these number comparisons avoid many significant aspects and I was reacting to seeing another sub-thread starting on just a numbers comparison. For example, I've spent a while reading Cocoa documentation (not quite enough free time to really get down to interesting coding unfortunately though). So, for basically no effort, every text widget can benefit from text-to-speech and textual summarise capabilities - does MS offer this? These have no direct relationship to the performance numbers, but they strike me as pretty significant (at least noteworthy) capabilities. Likewise, when I'm typing, I get a voice telling me that Mozilla needs my attention and the focus remains precisely where it is until I decide to go and see what was upsetting Mozilla. Heck, I've tried that last item on a range of "generic" users and all have them have responded that they'd like to have that feature available. but nowhere in their reaction was there anything close to 2000 vs 4000 comparisons.
So my argument is that, by only talking about how the numbers are not what they seem, Mac users are ignoring the thing that really makes a difference, namely quality.
See post directly above for AMD Hammer. As for Intel's Itanium, I'm not sure. Let me check. I'll post the number in an edit.
Okay. Intel's Itanium has 6.4GB/sec memory bandwidth as stated here: http://www.intel.com/products/server/processors/server/itanium2/index.htm?iid=ipp_srvr_proc+itanium2srvr& so Apple and IBM are behind the pack already.
The memory bandwidth issue is going to be an interesting debate for a good few months to come. Elsewhere, we had a figure of about 19GB/S for Hammer, but spread across three buses, which makes for only fractionally higher peak bandwidth that either PPC970 or Itanium are talking about. It is very believable that the issue of how fast the CPU is is going to be largely irrelevant because future memory systems are going to struggle to keep up.
nixd2001
Oct 31, 03:51 PM
I put forward the assertion that the most significant benefit of a 64 bit processor is that the size of an address (ie a memory pointer), rather than an integer is 64 bits. And this is because of sparse memory spaces, not fully populated (!!!!) memory systems.
Apart from very unusual situations, Altivec is probably going to give more general performance gain than 64 bit integers.
Now, who was I disagreeing with :D
Apart from very unusual situations, Altivec is probably going to give more general performance gain than 64 bit integers.
Now, who was I disagreeing with :D
hazz4121
Sep 13, 06:34 PM
sorry 10.1.5
Bradley W
Jun 21, 09:43 PM
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Waluigi
Sep 7, 12:34 AM
I was visiting this site for over a year before I joined. I was then running a very outdated P1 166 (and iMac 233 while at work). Things have changed a lot, I'm typing this on a P4 2.2, and have a Dual 2 G5 arriving any day now.....
--Waluigi
--Waluigi
Queso
May 31, 08:22 AM
i'm pretty sure apple named the street after they got there. does anyone have confirmation? or else that's what i'll take as truth
The road wasn't built until Apple came and built the campus there. The Microsoft equivalent of Google Earth got rapped last year for using an outdated photo where 1 Infinite Loop didn't exist, and there was no road at all, just a few old buildings and some waste ground. Some commented that the ommision was wishful thinking on Redmond's part :D
The road wasn't built until Apple came and built the campus there. The Microsoft equivalent of Google Earth got rapped last year for using an outdated photo where 1 Infinite Loop didn't exist, and there was no road at all, just a few old buildings and some waste ground. Some commented that the ommision was wishful thinking on Redmond's part :D
jefhatfield
Sep 6, 09:21 PM
It's a different matter on my campus. About half the laptops I've seen on the Cal campus are Macs. It's much more than a "small poket" here to say the least!
i couldn't imagine a school, if i had to guess off the top of my head, that would be more mac friendly than cal
i couldn't imagine a school, if i had to guess off the top of my head, that would be more mac friendly than cal
Blue Velvet
May 29, 06:40 PM
I actually think it would be rather relaxing if I knew they were going to get me out.
Until you remembered about that huge Coke you drank an hour or so ago while out and about.
Until you remembered about that huge Coke you drank an hour or so ago while out and about.
2nyRiggz
Mar 20, 03:50 PM
When I get over this HDTV stump..I'll show all of you!:mad:
My collection:
PSP - 25 strong
DS - 10 strong
xbox - 100 strong
360 - 8 strong
PS3 - 0 weak
wii - 3 strong
PS2 - 200+ strong baby!
Bless
My collection:
PSP - 25 strong
DS - 10 strong
xbox - 100 strong
360 - 8 strong
PS3 - 0 weak
wii - 3 strong
PS2 - 200+ strong baby!
Bless
pdpfilms
Apr 19, 02:21 PM
Was that BillyG in a mugshot?
IJ Reilly
Apr 25, 01:07 PM
I'm not sure I could have walked out of that store without reporting the employee to management. No sales representative should be dissing any product they sell. This guy is too stupid to be talking to customers, even at CompUSA.
sjk
Dec 1, 08:45 PM
I'd say you'd need ... , MenuMeters, ...MenuMeters is worth the space it eats on my iBook menubar. :)
No mention of any virtual desktop manager. My Mac usage is crippled without CodeTek VirtualDesktop.
No mention of any virtual desktop manager. My Mac usage is crippled without CodeTek VirtualDesktop.
MacDawg
Nov 9, 02:19 PM
i'm glad i didn't pay for it...
you can only defrag and make password protected volumes on mac formatted ipods.. i have mine windows formatted so that i can use it for file transfers... oh well, send to trash...
reality
Is that not stated anywhere on the download screens??
Gonna be a lot of unhappy downloaders.
you can only defrag and make password protected volumes on mac formatted ipods.. i have mine windows formatted so that i can use it for file transfers... oh well, send to trash...
reality
Is that not stated anywhere on the download screens??
Gonna be a lot of unhappy downloaders.
smiley
Mar 19, 11:07 AM
I appreciate what DVD Jon did to help Linux owners watch dvds, but this is going to far. I hope Apple come up with a fix for this, and soon.
How is this going farther than DeCSS for DVD's?
Last I checked, Linux users couldn't use iTunes DRM'd songs on Linux either. How is this different from the DVD cracker? Its purpose is to use digital files LEGALLY PURCHASED on a device of the purchaser's choice.
The only differences here are that 1) the offending company is Apple, and 2) The iTunes Music Store's terms of service agreement. By using Jon's tool, you KNOWINGLY and WILLINGLY are violating an agreement that you yourself agreed to.
I never signed away my rights to play a DVD on Linux when I bought it, for example, so DeCSS has a tiny bit more of a leg to stand on.
But, this certainly isn't "going too far"
YMAMV (Your moral ambiguity may vary)
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How is this going farther than DeCSS for DVD's?
Last I checked, Linux users couldn't use iTunes DRM'd songs on Linux either. How is this different from the DVD cracker? Its purpose is to use digital files LEGALLY PURCHASED on a device of the purchaser's choice.
The only differences here are that 1) the offending company is Apple, and 2) The iTunes Music Store's terms of service agreement. By using Jon's tool, you KNOWINGLY and WILLINGLY are violating an agreement that you yourself agreed to.
I never signed away my rights to play a DVD on Linux when I bought it, for example, so DeCSS has a tiny bit more of a leg to stand on.
But, this certainly isn't "going too far"
YMAMV (Your moral ambiguity may vary)
solvs
Aug 28, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by ftaok ... the dual-1.25ghz Macs will have G4s that are rated for 1.25ghz or higher.
Right. That's what I meant.
Any released chip (that isn't a new architecture, of course) is rated as high as it's rated. If the new chip is a G4 7455, or whatever the 1 GHz is now, it'll be rated at 1.25. That doesn't mean it's an OC'ed 1 GHz. It means it's a similar chip that is rated to run higher. Just like the 867 MHz vs. 1 GHz analogy made earlier.
Of course, there have been execptions to the rule. Usually with not-so-good results. (I'm surprised I haven't been flamed more for this).
Now whether or not it can truly take advantage of the DDR... that's another subject.
Right. That's what I meant.
Any released chip (that isn't a new architecture, of course) is rated as high as it's rated. If the new chip is a G4 7455, or whatever the 1 GHz is now, it'll be rated at 1.25. That doesn't mean it's an OC'ed 1 GHz. It means it's a similar chip that is rated to run higher. Just like the 867 MHz vs. 1 GHz analogy made earlier.
Of course, there have been execptions to the rule. Usually with not-so-good results. (I'm surprised I haven't been flamed more for this).
Now whether or not it can truly take advantage of the DDR... that's another subject.
Flowbee
Apr 21, 12:30 PM
I love The Onion. I also love the fact that we can get the paper edition in San Francisco now. I read it every week.
MacCoaster
Oct 22, 03:03 PM
javajedi:
Then do physical 900MHz DDR chips run on it? or are you limited to phyiscal 450MHz DDR chips?
Then do physical 900MHz DDR chips run on it? or are you limited to phyiscal 450MHz DDR chips?
Laslo Panaflex
Aug 13, 05:26 PM
None here either, in fact, all I mostly do is go straight to the new posts, read those.
pincho
May 24, 11:29 PM
ive got the Beta and must say it is growing on me, and the user interface will be easier for lesser-PC savvy people. One wish (or two or three :P) from Office 2007:
1) same release date for PC and Mac version with seemless compatibility
2) M$ Publisher for Mac, o please!!!!
1) same release date for PC and Mac version with seemless compatibility
2) M$ Publisher for Mac, o please!!!!
Chad4Mac
Oct 11, 10:40 AM
wanaPBnow
Not quite.
Rush stands for the guy on the radio...
However, it would really be cool if Rush band members used Macs too!
But I'm not sure on that...
Chad
Not quite.
Rush stands for the guy on the radio...
However, it would really be cool if Rush band members used Macs too!
But I'm not sure on that...
Chad
cyclingplatypus
Mar 22, 09:04 AM
I'm in New Hampshire and use Gamefly, it takes about 5 days for me to get a game and about 1-2 days for them to get notice from USPS that I returned a game, they use a scanning feature that allows them to have USPS send them details and ship a game to you before they physically receive it.
Probably the best thing I like about Gamefly is the rewards program they have, every 3 months you get 5 Gamefly bucks and on top of that you get either a 5% or 10% (off their keep it price) discount depending how long you've been a member. I just went over a year and get 10% off so when I rent and want to keep it I'm getting about $15-$20 off a new release (I can keep GR:AW2 for $43.19 or Crackdown for $40.49, not bad for 2 recently released games that are MSRP $59.99).
Probably the best thing I like about Gamefly is the rewards program they have, every 3 months you get 5 Gamefly bucks and on top of that you get either a 5% or 10% (off their keep it price) discount depending how long you've been a member. I just went over a year and get 10% off so when I rent and want to keep it I'm getting about $15-$20 off a new release (I can keep GR:AW2 for $43.19 or Crackdown for $40.49, not bad for 2 recently released games that are MSRP $59.99).
idkew
Oct 29, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by prefect
I don't think the differenct between 1 GHz and 800 MHz is going to be noticeable.
Why even make a 933 MHz???
why not use a SE/30?
A 20% speed increase is not something for you to get excited about?
If i had 20% more time in a day I would have almost 5 more hours to sleep.
I don't think the differenct between 1 GHz and 800 MHz is going to be noticeable.
Why even make a 933 MHz???
why not use a SE/30?
A 20% speed increase is not something for you to get excited about?
If i had 20% more time in a day I would have almost 5 more hours to sleep.
King Cobra
Nov 23, 12:24 PM
Are you kidding? Quality? :D
Actually, a few summers ago I managed to do up to 58 or so posts in a day, nothing like the 200+ jello had, which I witnessed part of. :eek: :eek:
I used to post a lot more, but college often takes over. So when I have little time to get online, I'm usually only online for priority means (either college work or in a specific section of DA).
This weekend, into the week, however, I'm going to have lots of free time. So between/among playing billiards (we have a s***** 3.5 by 7 foot mini), videogames, out of house activities, and reviewing, I'm sure I'll find some way to get online.
You'd be surprised, but eye used to be a top "dog" (that damn thing needs to quit smoking cigars :eek:) at post rates. Now even he has slacked off. Give credit where it's due, right 603, I mean, Mr. A? :p
Actually, a few summers ago I managed to do up to 58 or so posts in a day, nothing like the 200+ jello had, which I witnessed part of. :eek: :eek:
I used to post a lot more, but college often takes over. So when I have little time to get online, I'm usually only online for priority means (either college work or in a specific section of DA).
This weekend, into the week, however, I'm going to have lots of free time. So between/among playing billiards (we have a s***** 3.5 by 7 foot mini), videogames, out of house activities, and reviewing, I'm sure I'll find some way to get online.
You'd be surprised, but eye used to be a top "dog" (that damn thing needs to quit smoking cigars :eek:) at post rates. Now even he has slacked off. Give credit where it's due, right 603, I mean, Mr. A? :p
chris200x9
Mar 4, 07:51 PM
bionic seems not to be doing anything, I am just starting it back up after shuting my computer for the first time since I downloaded it and I was wondering do I have to do anything special to start it up again?
nevermind sorry it just started back up :)
nevermind sorry it just started back up :)
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