Giaguara
Aug 24, 10:40 PM
simple. i think all those 1500 posts in a month have no life. ;) :p
the most insane i've ever got is 2800-something since november. :rolleyes: :eek:
the most insane i've ever got is 2800-something since november. :rolleyes: :eek:
MacCoaster
Sep 20, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by avkills
Microsoft has not beat Apple as far as a 64bit consumer OS goes. Name one consumer chip that is 64bit. Thank you. Carry on.
Also, I think NT is limited to 4 processors unless they have updated that recently. Clustering is not the same as a multi-processor machine. Unix scales better than NT, just deal with it. Apple could easily make a rack server that had 16 processors, with a kick arse OpenGL card and teach SGI a lesson. They don't have the market for that though...yet!
-mark
The Intel Itanium. Granted, it's not for consumers per se, but it's still for high-end consumers. Compare that with Power Mac G4s.
NT can do up to 32 processors per machine as of the Windows .NET family.
Microsoft has not beat Apple as far as a 64bit consumer OS goes. Name one consumer chip that is 64bit. Thank you. Carry on.
Also, I think NT is limited to 4 processors unless they have updated that recently. Clustering is not the same as a multi-processor machine. Unix scales better than NT, just deal with it. Apple could easily make a rack server that had 16 processors, with a kick arse OpenGL card and teach SGI a lesson. They don't have the market for that though...yet!
-mark
The Intel Itanium. Granted, it's not for consumers per se, but it's still for high-end consumers. Compare that with Power Mac G4s.
NT can do up to 32 processors per machine as of the Windows .NET family.
timmillwood
Apr 11, 08:17 AM
I just visited the Apple online store and saw the web page shown here (I tried accessing it repeatedly but the result was the same).
http://i1.tinypic.com/v66r6f.jpg
Maybe the Apple store is being updated for the new iPod? :rolleyes:
ProMac, anyone? :p
Or is this a routine maintenance thing? :confused:
HAHA! ur on windows
http://i1.tinypic.com/v66r6f.jpg
Maybe the Apple store is being updated for the new iPod? :rolleyes:
ProMac, anyone? :p
Or is this a routine maintenance thing? :confused:
HAHA! ur on windows
iShane
May 26, 02:41 PM
If I had kids (no offense, kids), they wouldn't be on the Internet at all without my supervision. Now before you go chastising me, I am ASTONISHED at what some 14 year olds know here - things and subjects I had not even dared to approach at that age - and they got it off the net form most conversations I've had.
That said, our local police here used a MySpace site to bust two kids that had beaten a couple of classmates to near senselessness. Yah, Myspace. Otherwise "vanity on acid" was a very adept description.
Yea. That happened around here too. It was on the news where a policeman said that he used not only Myspace but the internet in general to help them find the people that commited certain crimes. He said that he spent like 75% of his time on the internet or something like that.
That said, our local police here used a MySpace site to bust two kids that had beaten a couple of classmates to near senselessness. Yah, Myspace. Otherwise "vanity on acid" was a very adept description.
Yea. That happened around here too. It was on the news where a policeman said that he used not only Myspace but the internet in general to help them find the people that commited certain crimes. He said that he spent like 75% of his time on the internet or something like that.
jefhatfield
Sep 4, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by King Cobra
I'm glad I helped someone come back to the forums. I even called you "jefhatfield" for once. Welcome back.
I'll remove that little poetry from my sig immediately, now that you are back.
Now, you mention newbies coming to start flamewars and that's the reason you guys left, apparently. What will this thread cover?
P.S.: john123 was roaming the boards a few days after MWNY.
with four personas on the web, only you know who i really am...he he
and if you tell, no one will believe
i love the web
signed,
me
I'm glad I helped someone come back to the forums. I even called you "jefhatfield" for once. Welcome back.
I'll remove that little poetry from my sig immediately, now that you are back.
Now, you mention newbies coming to start flamewars and that's the reason you guys left, apparently. What will this thread cover?
P.S.: john123 was roaming the boards a few days after MWNY.
with four personas on the web, only you know who i really am...he he
and if you tell, no one will believe
i love the web
signed,
me
G99
May 28, 07:31 AM
Nope, his 'work' email is sjobs@apple.com (mailto:sjobs@apple.com). When I worked at Apple, that's what he used to contact us. Other emails of interest...
woz@apple.com (mailto:woz@apple.com) and ive@apple.com (mailto:ive@apple.com)
You worked at Apple!? :eek:
woz@apple.com (mailto:woz@apple.com) and ive@apple.com (mailto:ive@apple.com)
You worked at Apple!? :eek:
e�Studios
Mar 21, 09:46 AM
He'd do fine. I do the same thing due to lack of time between life, college, and the Air Force. If I can do it, anyone can. ;)
I agree, I've played UO since 99' and ive gone through stages of just wandering around solo and hanging with guilds. In my experience once a guild gets too large it gets too political and there is too much BS around. I tend to stick to smaller guilds or on my own.
I think you will be fine, but in WoW i believe there are certain things that the devs require you team up for, i never liked the "on rails" feeling i got from WoW, i bored quickly from it.
Ed
I agree, I've played UO since 99' and ive gone through stages of just wandering around solo and hanging with guilds. In my experience once a guild gets too large it gets too political and there is too much BS around. I tend to stick to smaller guilds or on my own.
I think you will be fine, but in WoW i believe there are certain things that the devs require you team up for, i never liked the "on rails" feeling i got from WoW, i bored quickly from it.
Ed
arn
Oct 7, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by samdweck
sorry arn, but it pisses me off! i mean really, i am very pro-mac and i should chill, but what does a pc person have business doing here... sorry though!
30% of visitors are on a Windows machine.
And if you look above... the people you attacked own Macs. They are simply being realistic.
arn
sorry arn, but it pisses me off! i mean really, i am very pro-mac and i should chill, but what does a pc person have business doing here... sorry though!
30% of visitors are on a Windows machine.
And if you look above... the people you attacked own Macs. They are simply being realistic.
arn
Ti_Pousin
Nov 1, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by maxvamp
I guess I am what you would call a switcher. I was an OS/2 to Windows NT to LINUX/UNIX to MacOSX ( better UNIX ) switcher. I now only use OSX and Windows 98 ( and then, only for 1 application )
Having said that, I have to say that this has been a fun discussion to watch. I want to put the memory concerns of this new processor to rest by simply saying that I would be shocked if Apple didn't user DDR 2 ( see http://www.commsdesign.com/design_c...EG20021016S0038 ). This would satisfy the memory bandwidth needs of this new chip.
Second, as for the no performance gain, coupled with the faster P4 mantra, I have to say that there are some mis-informed people here. I suggest that we start a new thread and have everyone list the top 5 apps they use on the mac. This is what would clearly define any performance gain a user would or wouldn't see.
The reason I suggest this is that many high performance app developers on the window side ( and I am sure Mac too ) have been working with 64 bits for a while in their 32-bit applications. Even MS in several of their APIs will divide their values returned from objects in two 32bit chunks that must be reassembled into the original 64 bit values. I myself have seen this in file system operations in the Win32 writing I have done.
Since such operations described above require two ticks of the proc to process, I would take a slower 64 bit AMD or PPC processor in a heart beat over a much faster p4 for hard core applications. So a 5 GHz p4 at best on these types of apps still only keeps up with a 64 bit at half it's speed. An OS optimised for 64-bits make this more so.
Now, will every app see a difference? No.
If my average apps I use often are only Quicken, Mail, IExplorer, iChat, Word, etc. then a 2.4 GHz P4 will be snappier than a 1.8 PPC or AMD. If your average apps are DVD Studio, Final Cut Pro, Maya, Cinema4D, etc. then a 64 system will be an improvement. I won't even go into databases, except to say that in the future, more and more apps will start using them. Need proof ? iPhoto and iTunes both are primitive apps that use a crude database to track your data. Overtime, more and more apps with get more advanced in this idea, and you may see OSs come out with master Databases built into them that iApps, as well as other apps can use natively.
So, with all of this said, What are the apps you use on a daily basis?
Let the flames begin,
Max.
right, but as we all know, people are using more and more their computer to digital media (MP3, Video editing...). So I think it will be great to jump to 64 bit cpu. Anyway mail, web browser, text editor... are already fast enough even on a P3! People should check the need they have before claiming for speed like you say.
One domain that will be really enchanced I believe it's game. They use a lot of CPU and GPU.
I use video editing on a dual 450 and it work great for my need, but to play recent game it's a different storie with a GForce 2MX! I would appreciate to see 64 bit copmuter but it will be long before programmer opimize their appz, even the OS. Just like ALTI-VEC, but if PC move to 64 bit too, it can accelerate the move.
I guess I am what you would call a switcher. I was an OS/2 to Windows NT to LINUX/UNIX to MacOSX ( better UNIX ) switcher. I now only use OSX and Windows 98 ( and then, only for 1 application )
Having said that, I have to say that this has been a fun discussion to watch. I want to put the memory concerns of this new processor to rest by simply saying that I would be shocked if Apple didn't user DDR 2 ( see http://www.commsdesign.com/design_c...EG20021016S0038 ). This would satisfy the memory bandwidth needs of this new chip.
Second, as for the no performance gain, coupled with the faster P4 mantra, I have to say that there are some mis-informed people here. I suggest that we start a new thread and have everyone list the top 5 apps they use on the mac. This is what would clearly define any performance gain a user would or wouldn't see.
The reason I suggest this is that many high performance app developers on the window side ( and I am sure Mac too ) have been working with 64 bits for a while in their 32-bit applications. Even MS in several of their APIs will divide their values returned from objects in two 32bit chunks that must be reassembled into the original 64 bit values. I myself have seen this in file system operations in the Win32 writing I have done.
Since such operations described above require two ticks of the proc to process, I would take a slower 64 bit AMD or PPC processor in a heart beat over a much faster p4 for hard core applications. So a 5 GHz p4 at best on these types of apps still only keeps up with a 64 bit at half it's speed. An OS optimised for 64-bits make this more so.
Now, will every app see a difference? No.
If my average apps I use often are only Quicken, Mail, IExplorer, iChat, Word, etc. then a 2.4 GHz P4 will be snappier than a 1.8 PPC or AMD. If your average apps are DVD Studio, Final Cut Pro, Maya, Cinema4D, etc. then a 64 system will be an improvement. I won't even go into databases, except to say that in the future, more and more apps will start using them. Need proof ? iPhoto and iTunes both are primitive apps that use a crude database to track your data. Overtime, more and more apps with get more advanced in this idea, and you may see OSs come out with master Databases built into them that iApps, as well as other apps can use natively.
So, with all of this said, What are the apps you use on a daily basis?
Let the flames begin,
Max.
right, but as we all know, people are using more and more their computer to digital media (MP3, Video editing...). So I think it will be great to jump to 64 bit cpu. Anyway mail, web browser, text editor... are already fast enough even on a P3! People should check the need they have before claiming for speed like you say.
One domain that will be really enchanced I believe it's game. They use a lot of CPU and GPU.
I use video editing on a dual 450 and it work great for my need, but to play recent game it's a different storie with a GForce 2MX! I would appreciate to see 64 bit copmuter but it will be long before programmer opimize their appz, even the OS. Just like ALTI-VEC, but if PC move to 64 bit too, it can accelerate the move.
Nipsy
Sep 21, 01:22 AM
Friday nights are the standard maintenance period for the Apple store.
You should get excited when you see that graphic, and it is not a Friday night.
You should get excited when you see that graphic, and it is not a Friday night.
PlaceofDis
Mar 20, 09:41 AM
while you might be able to find it online. i doubt your serial would work since its for a PC only disc. i'm sure you can pick it up used or even new for relatively cheap. check Amazon or Ebay.
truz
May 9, 11:21 PM
honestly the commercial is not bad.. they just forgot to tell the truth about windows. (yearly renewals for spyware, firewall and antivirus protection required, monthly formats, daily virus scans that takes hours and will find nothing (daily scans unless you want to format weekly) random blue screens and restarts, shutting down your system is not a press of a button (you will be required to watch your hp windows pc shut down as you might have to ctrl+alt+del) identity theft happens on buggy software, we are not responsible for microsoft windows security flaws). <- This should be a warning on every windows based system.
ozzy817284
Apr 9, 12:54 PM
Not that it helps all that much now, but what about this
http://protect.gadgettheft.com/
a program that you load into your device and if its lost or stolen will give you the location of said item. Its like 12 bucks a year for 5 devices, how about some payback for theives.
http://protect.gadgettheft.com/
a program that you load into your device and if its lost or stolen will give you the location of said item. Its like 12 bucks a year for 5 devices, how about some payback for theives.
mytdave
Oct 29, 10:49 PM
Excellent, almost instant response. Love the internet.
Okay, madamimadam, I just configured a "name brand" Dell PC. Here's what I got:
2.8 GHz P4, 512K L2, no L3, 533MHz FSB
1GB DDR 2700 (333MHz) RAM (same as Apple, but actually usable)
120GB ATA100 7200 RPM HD (same as Apple)
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro, 128MB DDR, TV out & DVI (better than Apple's)
Turtle Beach DSP sound card (tons better than Apple's)
Harmon Kardon speakers (better than Apple's)
48x/24x/48x CDRW drive (tons faster, but no DVD-R available)
Standard stuff like kybd, mouse, et al. (same as Apple)
No OS - Won't pay the Microsoft tax (get Linux it's free)
$2288.00
Apple's closest match is the top line (not BTO) G4 tower at $3299.00 but has less RAM, a slower graphics card, inferior audio, slower CDRW - but a neato DVD-R (that's a plus), and roughly equivalent processor performance. That is over a $1000 price difference! So Apple really does have room for improvement.
It is true that for the other specs mentioned you get that from custom building your own PC, but that's exactly what most PC enthusiasts do!
- The P4 is a double pumped 266MHz bus. Unfortunately for Apple, it can take advantage of PC3500 DDR RAM.
- AGP 8x is a quad pumped 133MHz bus, it is not significantly faster than 4x, but it is slightly faster.
- A 1.2GB GeForce 4Ti may exist - it's advertised by Leadtek in PC magazines as using 1200MB of 3.3ns DDR ram. It may be a typo on their part, I don't know.
- Pretty much the entire point to using ATA133 is not the speed, but it's overcoming the 136GB size limitation, allowing the use of the new 200GB HDs from WD and others. We all know a single drive mechanism can't transfer more than about 50MB/s.
- The PowerMacs have dual bays for optical drives, but PC's actually ship with 2 drives, it's not a BTO thing.
- USB 2.0 does make a difference, and Apple better jump on the bandwagon quick. Of course they're hedging their bets until they can get 800Mb FireWire working.
Don't get me wrong. I love Macs (I do have one Linux PC, a gift) and I only buy Macs, but I'm getting a little bit tired of yesterday's hardware at premium prices. Apple is an industry leader... they need to lead. Who cares what "name brand" PC makers are doing, they're not leading.
Okay, madamimadam, I just configured a "name brand" Dell PC. Here's what I got:
2.8 GHz P4, 512K L2, no L3, 533MHz FSB
1GB DDR 2700 (333MHz) RAM (same as Apple, but actually usable)
120GB ATA100 7200 RPM HD (same as Apple)
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro, 128MB DDR, TV out & DVI (better than Apple's)
Turtle Beach DSP sound card (tons better than Apple's)
Harmon Kardon speakers (better than Apple's)
48x/24x/48x CDRW drive (tons faster, but no DVD-R available)
Standard stuff like kybd, mouse, et al. (same as Apple)
No OS - Won't pay the Microsoft tax (get Linux it's free)
$2288.00
Apple's closest match is the top line (not BTO) G4 tower at $3299.00 but has less RAM, a slower graphics card, inferior audio, slower CDRW - but a neato DVD-R (that's a plus), and roughly equivalent processor performance. That is over a $1000 price difference! So Apple really does have room for improvement.
It is true that for the other specs mentioned you get that from custom building your own PC, but that's exactly what most PC enthusiasts do!
- The P4 is a double pumped 266MHz bus. Unfortunately for Apple, it can take advantage of PC3500 DDR RAM.
- AGP 8x is a quad pumped 133MHz bus, it is not significantly faster than 4x, but it is slightly faster.
- A 1.2GB GeForce 4Ti may exist - it's advertised by Leadtek in PC magazines as using 1200MB of 3.3ns DDR ram. It may be a typo on their part, I don't know.
- Pretty much the entire point to using ATA133 is not the speed, but it's overcoming the 136GB size limitation, allowing the use of the new 200GB HDs from WD and others. We all know a single drive mechanism can't transfer more than about 50MB/s.
- The PowerMacs have dual bays for optical drives, but PC's actually ship with 2 drives, it's not a BTO thing.
- USB 2.0 does make a difference, and Apple better jump on the bandwagon quick. Of course they're hedging their bets until they can get 800Mb FireWire working.
Don't get me wrong. I love Macs (I do have one Linux PC, a gift) and I only buy Macs, but I'm getting a little bit tired of yesterday's hardware at premium prices. Apple is an industry leader... they need to lead. Who cares what "name brand" PC makers are doing, they're not leading.
giganten
Mar 18, 02:19 PM
Buy it, play some games and have fun. Don't wait. :D
mc68k
Aug 24, 11:20 AM
I read about some new F@H developments this morning on slashdot.
PS3 (http://folding.stanford.edu/news.html)
"...we will likely be able to attain performance on the 100 gigaflop scale per computer. With about 10,000 such machines, we would be able to achieve performance on the petaflop scale." screenshot (http://folding.stanford.edu/abeta-PS3.jpg) video (http://folding.stanford.edu/abeta_2spu_test02.avi)
ATI GPU (http://folding.stanford.edu/FAQ-ATI.html)
"We are beta testing the ATI GPU client software internally at the moment and will likely announce an open beta in four to five weeks (end of September)."
"Which GPUs will be supported? We have not made any final decisions on this issue. However, our software will likely require the very latest GPUs from ATI (especially now that the newest ATI GPUs support 32 bit floating point operations). Previous work of ours used NVIDIA GPUs as well, but we have now concentrated on ATI GPU's as they allow for significant performance increases for FAH over NVIDIA's GPU's (at least at the current generation). Our GPU cluster has 25 1900XT's and 25 1900 XTX's. We find a considerable performance increase of 1900XT's even over 1800XT's, due to the architectural differences between the R580 and R520 GPU's. Our code will run on R520's, but considerably more slowly than R580. We're very much looking forward to trying out R600's."
Intel on Mac (http://forum.folding-community.org/viewtopic.php?t=14182&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75)
"Coming soon.... 2-3 weeks...
(typed from the intel mac devel box)
p.s. the v6 client won't be as elaborate as planned, but it will be universal. v7 will have all the goodies."
PS3 (http://folding.stanford.edu/news.html)
"...we will likely be able to attain performance on the 100 gigaflop scale per computer. With about 10,000 such machines, we would be able to achieve performance on the petaflop scale." screenshot (http://folding.stanford.edu/abeta-PS3.jpg) video (http://folding.stanford.edu/abeta_2spu_test02.avi)
ATI GPU (http://folding.stanford.edu/FAQ-ATI.html)
"We are beta testing the ATI GPU client software internally at the moment and will likely announce an open beta in four to five weeks (end of September)."
"Which GPUs will be supported? We have not made any final decisions on this issue. However, our software will likely require the very latest GPUs from ATI (especially now that the newest ATI GPUs support 32 bit floating point operations). Previous work of ours used NVIDIA GPUs as well, but we have now concentrated on ATI GPU's as they allow for significant performance increases for FAH over NVIDIA's GPU's (at least at the current generation). Our GPU cluster has 25 1900XT's and 25 1900 XTX's. We find a considerable performance increase of 1900XT's even over 1800XT's, due to the architectural differences between the R580 and R520 GPU's. Our code will run on R520's, but considerably more slowly than R580. We're very much looking forward to trying out R600's."
Intel on Mac (http://forum.folding-community.org/viewtopic.php?t=14182&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75)
"Coming soon.... 2-3 weeks...
(typed from the intel mac devel box)
p.s. the v6 client won't be as elaborate as planned, but it will be universal. v7 will have all the goodies."
alex_ant
Sep 17, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by peter2002
You won't see anything faster until mid 2004. You are dreaming if you think Apple will have the Power4 in the PowerMac in Jan. 2003. All you will see is a faster G4 that Motorola will call G5 clocking at best 1.6GHz, built w/ 130NM tech, with a 512 cache, and maybe at best a (real) 333 DDR front side bus. Not the overclocked crap Apple is pushing now. Motorola is too broke and losing too much money to make anything faster.
And the Power4 is incompatible with AltiVec based software. Developers won't spend millions to rewrite their software to run on the unproven Power4.
You blasted one rumor away, but you used an equally flaky rumor to back yourself up here with regards to AltiVec. The mention that the new Power4-derived PPC will not be AltiVec-compatible is only speculation - reported by one person who talked to another person at IBM who we are supposed to believe knew what he was talking about. IBM would be mad for this new chip not to support VMX. If this new chip isn't AltiVec-compatible (but NOT called such, for AltiVec is a Motorola trademark), then bicycles don't have wheels, or something.
Alex
You won't see anything faster until mid 2004. You are dreaming if you think Apple will have the Power4 in the PowerMac in Jan. 2003. All you will see is a faster G4 that Motorola will call G5 clocking at best 1.6GHz, built w/ 130NM tech, with a 512 cache, and maybe at best a (real) 333 DDR front side bus. Not the overclocked crap Apple is pushing now. Motorola is too broke and losing too much money to make anything faster.
And the Power4 is incompatible with AltiVec based software. Developers won't spend millions to rewrite their software to run on the unproven Power4.
You blasted one rumor away, but you used an equally flaky rumor to back yourself up here with regards to AltiVec. The mention that the new Power4-derived PPC will not be AltiVec-compatible is only speculation - reported by one person who talked to another person at IBM who we are supposed to believe knew what he was talking about. IBM would be mad for this new chip not to support VMX. If this new chip isn't AltiVec-compatible (but NOT called such, for AltiVec is a Motorola trademark), then bicycles don't have wheels, or something.
Alex
CanadaRAM
Jun 22, 09:59 PM
The rumor that online polls have any meaning or value...
job
Oct 22, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by Macmaniac
Macrumors IMOP has the best forum layout of all the rumors sites I have visited.
I actually enjoy the Appleinsider theme a bit more, but the standard vB theme of Macrumors is a close second. ;)
Macrumors IMOP has the best forum layout of all the rumors sites I have visited.
I actually enjoy the Appleinsider theme a bit more, but the standard vB theme of Macrumors is a close second. ;)
mjstew33
Jun 26, 02:18 PM
iPhone.
Ditto that.
If they do make an iPhone, it'll be ridiculously expensive...
Ditto that.
If they do make an iPhone, it'll be ridiculously expensive...
Mr. Anderson
Sep 11, 02:54 PM
And what would then be the digital hub? Could you control your tv/stereo with your mac? But an airport card in it some where and its networked?
That would be pretty damn cool......
D
That would be pretty damn cool......
D
TBi
Mar 21, 06:56 PM
Microsoft have released a USB to wireless dongle specifically for use with wireless pads. Have a look around for it.
vniow
Oct 18, 03:34 PM
Wanna know what he told me???
Is that a trick question?;)
Is that a trick question?;)
MrMacMan
Sep 23, 05:56 PM
Indeed more votes need to be cast!
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