peter2002
Oct 28, 04:05 PM
It's about time. I'm glad somebody has woke up at Apple. By October Intel will have the 4.4GHZ P5 with a 1MB L2 cache and a 600MHZ FSB, so why would anybody want a 1.8GHZ 970?
Peter :)
Peter :)
AvSRoCkCO1067
Jun 22, 08:50 PM
I can't stand the PowerBook G5's anymore...
...maybe when it was a slight possibility. But now? Honestly?
eeesh...:o :rolleyes:
...maybe when it was a slight possibility. But now? Honestly?
eeesh...:o :rolleyes:
zap2
Mar 17, 10:39 AM
So with all the lack of Wii games for a while, I've come to the conclusion I want an XBox 360. Fund are limited(of course:( ) but I have enough for Xbox 360 Premium, 1 games and maybe 3 months of Xbox live(or a wireless bridge for online play)
But with this Zephyr talk I'm afraid I'll buy the XBox 360, then the new one will come out, and the 20Gb one will lower its price. I don't have an HDTV, so the HDMI thing isn't huge, 120Gbs isn't need, I'll only have game demos on my harddrive, and I like white more. So its not that I want the new xbox 360, I just don't want to pay 400 for something that will be 300 dollars soon.
So do you guys think I should go buy one now(tomorrow maybe?) or wait it out. Or I could buy one at costco, so if a new one comes out in 90day I'd be covered.
But with this Zephyr talk I'm afraid I'll buy the XBox 360, then the new one will come out, and the 20Gb one will lower its price. I don't have an HDTV, so the HDMI thing isn't huge, 120Gbs isn't need, I'll only have game demos on my harddrive, and I like white more. So its not that I want the new xbox 360, I just don't want to pay 400 for something that will be 300 dollars soon.
So do you guys think I should go buy one now(tomorrow maybe?) or wait it out. Or I could buy one at costco, so if a new one comes out in 90day I'd be covered.
ddtlm
Oct 20, 07:37 PM
Catfish_Man:
With regards to the PBook, the way I see it Apple needs to make a choice: PC-laptop-like performance with the PPC-970 and PC-laptop-like wieght and heat output, or slim design and lower performance, as we have now.
Summary: I really don' think a fast 130nm PPC-970 will work in a 1" thick laptop frame. Maybe a low-volt, low-clock version... much much slower than the PMacs. Also note that laptops basically make feeding the PPC-970 FSB impossible... a dual-channel DDR chipset is just not very practical for a laptop. Especially not a 1" thick laptop.
With regards to the PBook, the way I see it Apple needs to make a choice: PC-laptop-like performance with the PPC-970 and PC-laptop-like wieght and heat output, or slim design and lower performance, as we have now.
Summary: I really don' think a fast 130nm PPC-970 will work in a 1" thick laptop frame. Maybe a low-volt, low-clock version... much much slower than the PMacs. Also note that laptops basically make feeding the PPC-970 FSB impossible... a dual-channel DDR chipset is just not very practical for a laptop. Especially not a 1" thick laptop.
ftaok
Sep 16, 06:25 AM
Originally posted by chmorley
Good to know. I wasn't really commenting on Rush's computing habits, rather on his propensity to misunderstand, misstate, and misrepresent facts, while still having strong opinions on topics. Hell, it keeps him employed, though. I wonder if our uninformed friend (above) has the same luck.
Chris chmorley,
It's not just Republicans that have strong opinions about stuff they know very little about. Democrats fall into that description as well. There are bull-headed know-nothings in just about every group that you can think of.
Good to know. I wasn't really commenting on Rush's computing habits, rather on his propensity to misunderstand, misstate, and misrepresent facts, while still having strong opinions on topics. Hell, it keeps him employed, though. I wonder if our uninformed friend (above) has the same luck.
Chris chmorley,
It's not just Republicans that have strong opinions about stuff they know very little about. Democrats fall into that description as well. There are bull-headed know-nothings in just about every group that you can think of.
Blue Moon
Apr 26, 07:38 PM
Does N64 count as Old Skool yet? I'm a Super-Smash Bros. God. :) Not too bad at Duck Hunt either..that's definitely old school.
nixd2001
Oct 9, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by Pants
what when the altivec unit gets starved of data?
Im talking from a 'doing' point of view - when a machine i have spent 2.5k wont allow me to use its best feature (with gcc) then i feel cheated.
Is this that you think GCC can never invoke Altivec or that it doesn't know how to optimise from arbitrary code to Altivec?
what when the altivec unit gets starved of data?
Im talking from a 'doing' point of view - when a machine i have spent 2.5k wont allow me to use its best feature (with gcc) then i feel cheated.
Is this that you think GCC can never invoke Altivec or that it doesn't know how to optimise from arbitrary code to Altivec?
ahunter3
Jun 25, 12:53 PM
...there was a long string of things that could of gone either way for apple and apple would of been screwed.
It not about apple products being better than others. It was about the timing of the release of some of them. the iPod was released at just the right time. Earily or later it would of flopped. They got it out right when the market started to come into play and it grew from there.
The history of Apple has also included a pretty long string of things that could have gone either way and resulted in failures, whereas if they'd done them at a slightly different time (or implemented in a somewhat different way) they would have most likely been successes.
A/UX was abandoned because it would have had to have been rewritten from the top down to run on PowerPC, and Apple had its hands full porting System 7 to PowerPC. But the internal assumption was that Taligent (and/or, later, Copland) would supplant System 7 soon enough to give Apple a modern sophisticated OS. Had Apple stuck with the 680x0 family a bit longer, or had an earlier foreboding about the state of the Taligent/Copland projects, we might be using an Apple Unix that grew out of A/UX instead of one that developed from NeXT, and a whole lot sooner.
Obviously the Newton could've been where the Palm and PocketPC ended up, and with Apple's flair for styling and innovation possibly enjoying the kind of success they have seen with the iPod.
The notion of modular software as promised in OpenDoc might have proven itself if they'd tossed out some implementations that made more sense than Cyberdog. (Talk about coals to Newcastle: there was already an incredible degree of modularity and "assemble your own suite" about internet apps in general, and still is. Why didn't they do an OpenDoc word processor instead?)
I'm not convinced that Pub & Sub couldn't have been a resounding success if they'd stuck with it longer and improved on it, too. I dunno, maybe I was one of the 8 people in the world who actually used it? Still, with just a touch of de-klunkification and perhaps a contextual-menu option of launching the original source document, P&S could've outdone Microsoft's OLE.
It not about apple products being better than others. It was about the timing of the release of some of them. the iPod was released at just the right time. Earily or later it would of flopped. They got it out right when the market started to come into play and it grew from there.
The history of Apple has also included a pretty long string of things that could have gone either way and resulted in failures, whereas if they'd done them at a slightly different time (or implemented in a somewhat different way) they would have most likely been successes.
A/UX was abandoned because it would have had to have been rewritten from the top down to run on PowerPC, and Apple had its hands full porting System 7 to PowerPC. But the internal assumption was that Taligent (and/or, later, Copland) would supplant System 7 soon enough to give Apple a modern sophisticated OS. Had Apple stuck with the 680x0 family a bit longer, or had an earlier foreboding about the state of the Taligent/Copland projects, we might be using an Apple Unix that grew out of A/UX instead of one that developed from NeXT, and a whole lot sooner.
Obviously the Newton could've been where the Palm and PocketPC ended up, and with Apple's flair for styling and innovation possibly enjoying the kind of success they have seen with the iPod.
The notion of modular software as promised in OpenDoc might have proven itself if they'd tossed out some implementations that made more sense than Cyberdog. (Talk about coals to Newcastle: there was already an incredible degree of modularity and "assemble your own suite" about internet apps in general, and still is. Why didn't they do an OpenDoc word processor instead?)
I'm not convinced that Pub & Sub couldn't have been a resounding success if they'd stuck with it longer and improved on it, too. I dunno, maybe I was one of the 8 people in the world who actually used it? Still, with just a touch of de-klunkification and perhaps a contextual-menu option of launching the original source document, P&S could've outdone Microsoft's OLE.
rickvanr
Oct 18, 07:47 PM
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Dec 16, 12:34 PM
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pcypert
Mar 19, 07:34 PM
Graw 2 = 360
Raiden
Sep 22, 05:56 PM
I would be willing to sacrifice some transfer speed for wireless transfers. Even if it takes twice as long, it would be worth it in my eyes. Whats waiting a few minutes in the morning while your ipod transfers wirelessly while eating breakfast and surfin the net on an imac?
The headphones are a good idea, but wouldnt they get lost easily? Someone could steal them and use them with their ipod? And I definatly dont want to be heavy on my head.
The headphones are a good idea, but wouldnt they get lost easily? Someone could steal them and use them with their ipod? And I definatly dont want to be heavy on my head.
jefhatfield
Jan 23, 02:52 AM
i might have known at one time, but now i can't recall when i came here
all i know is that i posted as a guest a few times before signing in as jefhatfield, junior member
all i know is that i posted as a guest a few times before signing in as jefhatfield, junior member
nixd2001
Oct 14, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by MacManiac1224
That is really the big question on all our minds? They say late I am not sure,
An alternative timeline that does not contradict anything that IBM have said is:
Q4 2002: Small quantities of engineering samples are made at Fishkill to prove the fab and to provide Apple with the ability to start checking Mac OS X.
Q1 2003: Fishkill fab characterised. Further samples supplied to Apple, but running at intended production specifications. Apple starts designing production level motherboard.
Q2 2003: Apple commits to production of motherboard, new machines using this and purchasing 970s from IBM.
Q3 2003: Product hits the street, 9-12 months ahead of alternative schedules.
I haven't the foggiest if this will happen, but it doesn't seem to contradict what IBM are saying and seems a reasonable use of getting the fab line working.
Also, ponder the issue that others have raised about pending 970 machines putting PMG4 buyers off, waiting for new machines. This all seems to come down to when Apple actually ships versus when people think they will ship. If they ship on time or late, Apple's sales get chopped brutally. If the come out with something earlier than expected, then all those people doing the "I'm waiting for the 970 before buying" will be in a put up or shut up situation - and most will probably splash out.
So, start scouring for any indication of whether 970 has "taped out" yet or not. If it hits tape out in the next month (or so), then the above schedule is doable if Apple are prepared to go with the financial commitment to back it up.
That is really the big question on all our minds? They say late I am not sure,
An alternative timeline that does not contradict anything that IBM have said is:
Q4 2002: Small quantities of engineering samples are made at Fishkill to prove the fab and to provide Apple with the ability to start checking Mac OS X.
Q1 2003: Fishkill fab characterised. Further samples supplied to Apple, but running at intended production specifications. Apple starts designing production level motherboard.
Q2 2003: Apple commits to production of motherboard, new machines using this and purchasing 970s from IBM.
Q3 2003: Product hits the street, 9-12 months ahead of alternative schedules.
I haven't the foggiest if this will happen, but it doesn't seem to contradict what IBM are saying and seems a reasonable use of getting the fab line working.
Also, ponder the issue that others have raised about pending 970 machines putting PMG4 buyers off, waiting for new machines. This all seems to come down to when Apple actually ships versus when people think they will ship. If they ship on time or late, Apple's sales get chopped brutally. If the come out with something earlier than expected, then all those people doing the "I'm waiting for the 970 before buying" will be in a put up or shut up situation - and most will probably splash out.
So, start scouring for any indication of whether 970 has "taped out" yet or not. If it hits tape out in the next month (or so), then the above schedule is doable if Apple are prepared to go with the financial commitment to back it up.
ddtlm
Oct 12, 06:40 PM
The result for my OSX 10.2 DP 800 G4 on the floating test is 85.56 seconds. I used -O and -funroll-loops as flags.
So this is about 45% the speed of my P3-Xeon 700. Not very good at all, but it falls within the ream of believeability.
So this is about 45% the speed of my P3-Xeon 700. Not very good at all, but it falls within the ream of believeability.
MBHockey
Feb 8, 01:22 PM
Great...thank you so much. I will try this out when i get home.
windowsblowsass
Mar 7, 05:13 PM
but do you own a nomad?
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KingSleaze
May 12, 07:36 AM
It's not just you, I have a Tinker too. I also only have one processor instead of 8, and still I fold.
crdean1
Apr 10, 08:05 PM
Welcome to MR, Mr. Harris.
2nyRiggz
Mar 20, 03:53 PM
^Or filming CR2 ;) ...don't worry I won't tell anyone Mr. Craig.
CR was a great movie though..
Bless
CR was a great movie though..
Bless
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Cloudgazer
Apr 19, 06:02 AM
Thats is so true, yet very sad! The coolest apple reseller near me has all the gear and everything for the mac I would even need, but then when you go to pay, the iMac runs virtual PC with windows POS software.
LOL, haha i noticed that too here in CT.
Its friggin crazy.
LOL, haha i noticed that too here in CT.
Its friggin crazy.
TyleRomeo
Aug 30, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by Multimedia
If IBM's presentation at the San Jose Fairmont Hotel the morning of October 15th indicates that Power4 is shipping in quantity soon thereafter, I'll be forced to wait until January. I could see Apple offering a single or dual Power4 Mac at a higher price than the dual 1.25 sooner than 6 months henceforth. Perhaps $3,999. Point being that if it's going to be November (which I do believe) then we might as well wait for Steve's MWSF presentation to see what's next. Not that he's necessarily going to tell us then. But that perhaps he'll tell us then.
The other factor will be some benchmarks on the 1.25 to see how much faster it really is. And the other factor is if it is a 7470 or not. Another factor is lust. Another factor is impatience. Another factor is the developement of OS X.2.2 or 2.3. There are an awful lot of bugs in this 10.2.0 that have scared me off of upgrading. I have a very happy and what I percieve to be fast 10.1.5 running on an "old" 500 MHz/100MHz/1.5 GB/100 GB/GF2 CUBE running SILENT.
So while I would like to boost my capability 5+ times, which I'm sure the dual 1.25 would do, I would also like to wait a little longer and boost my capability 10 times or more which I think the first generation Power4 may do.
I also may not have a clue. But I guarantee you I will be in the room when IBM explains what they're up to with the Power4 Processor the morning of October 15th at the San Jose Fairmont Hotel.
Care to join me?
I'll meet you on the other side. I'll stick with a dual 1.25 and be very happy with it. Believing that apple with use the new IBM chip is as much a fact as the 7470 chip even existing. Just becuase we all want faster chips doesn't mean were going to get them. Just becuase there is some IBM chip meeting doesn't have anything to do with apple. There's a reason why this is a rumor site and shouldn't be taken that seriously. We have to let the G5 at MWSF dreams die. Let's be happy with what we've got and know that it beats anything Wintel releases.
tyler
If IBM's presentation at the San Jose Fairmont Hotel the morning of October 15th indicates that Power4 is shipping in quantity soon thereafter, I'll be forced to wait until January. I could see Apple offering a single or dual Power4 Mac at a higher price than the dual 1.25 sooner than 6 months henceforth. Perhaps $3,999. Point being that if it's going to be November (which I do believe) then we might as well wait for Steve's MWSF presentation to see what's next. Not that he's necessarily going to tell us then. But that perhaps he'll tell us then.
The other factor will be some benchmarks on the 1.25 to see how much faster it really is. And the other factor is if it is a 7470 or not. Another factor is lust. Another factor is impatience. Another factor is the developement of OS X.2.2 or 2.3. There are an awful lot of bugs in this 10.2.0 that have scared me off of upgrading. I have a very happy and what I percieve to be fast 10.1.5 running on an "old" 500 MHz/100MHz/1.5 GB/100 GB/GF2 CUBE running SILENT.
So while I would like to boost my capability 5+ times, which I'm sure the dual 1.25 would do, I would also like to wait a little longer and boost my capability 10 times or more which I think the first generation Power4 may do.
I also may not have a clue. But I guarantee you I will be in the room when IBM explains what they're up to with the Power4 Processor the morning of October 15th at the San Jose Fairmont Hotel.
Care to join me?
I'll meet you on the other side. I'll stick with a dual 1.25 and be very happy with it. Believing that apple with use the new IBM chip is as much a fact as the 7470 chip even existing. Just becuase we all want faster chips doesn't mean were going to get them. Just becuase there is some IBM chip meeting doesn't have anything to do with apple. There's a reason why this is a rumor site and shouldn't be taken that seriously. We have to let the G5 at MWSF dreams die. Let's be happy with what we've got and know that it beats anything Wintel releases.
tyler
Chad4Mac
Oct 16, 11:18 AM
"Uhm. I never said it was at 3-4+GHz. I said it was rated at 3400+ on the AMD scale. Like Athlon XP 2600+, Athlon XP 2000+, etc."
The 3-4+ Ghz I was refering to are the Intel chips. When AMD releases their new 64-bit chips, they will be directly competing with Intel's high, multithreaded P4's -- and also trying to draw sells (to manufactures) based on the new arcitechture. Intel is not to worried about these new chips coming into the market. AMD will have to do some serious campaning to get this chips to sell to the manufactures, and prove they are better/cheaper than the Intel chips -- when the Ghz are lower than the main competition (refering to the Hammer consumer model, considering that it will be considerably lower in Ghz than the Intel P4's).
It is not that I fail to reconginze the consumer 64-bit Hammer, it is that I fail to see the large pull from Dell, HP, Compaq, Gateway, etc. to adopt these chips into their professional, business and home model PC's. This is based on the fact that the PC users (both business and consumer) are not quite ready for this technology, while P4's are still coming out. Maybe later...
And the wide scale release of Windows Xp 32/64-bit hybrid, only for AMD in the first quarter on 2003 is very small scale. I think that Intel would have to enter the 64-bit market (which they are, but later) for sure in able for Microsoft to 100% commit a release a new XP edition (I know Microsoft has commited to developing 64-bit XP, but without Intels backing?).
Apple on the other hand loves this $#@%. So do its buyers. It's a totally different market that the PC market. New technology -- which would benefit data intense processing like video editing and photo enhancement -- is a concept that Apple consumers, I think, would eat up. I can hear Steve now, "our new processors are 64-bit for the PowerMac and PB, utilizing totally different technology than the current P4's..."
There is a Hammer consumer and server processor. But I am scetchy to commit that this chips will enter the market and be utilized by whatever PC manufactoring company, using 32/64-bit XP, and selling on a profit making basis (pulling AMD out of @#$% creek) -- especially first quarter 2003.
I tend to believe:
The Gartner Group has stated that it believes that there is not a market for the Opteron, heavly favoring Intel's IA-64 architecture later in 2003. Further, "their predictions indicate that there is no market demand for the hybrid 32/64-bit architecture such as Opteron, and that computing markets will either go all 64-bit or remain at 32-bits."
The 3-4+ Ghz I was refering to are the Intel chips. When AMD releases their new 64-bit chips, they will be directly competing with Intel's high, multithreaded P4's -- and also trying to draw sells (to manufactures) based on the new arcitechture. Intel is not to worried about these new chips coming into the market. AMD will have to do some serious campaning to get this chips to sell to the manufactures, and prove they are better/cheaper than the Intel chips -- when the Ghz are lower than the main competition (refering to the Hammer consumer model, considering that it will be considerably lower in Ghz than the Intel P4's).
It is not that I fail to reconginze the consumer 64-bit Hammer, it is that I fail to see the large pull from Dell, HP, Compaq, Gateway, etc. to adopt these chips into their professional, business and home model PC's. This is based on the fact that the PC users (both business and consumer) are not quite ready for this technology, while P4's are still coming out. Maybe later...
And the wide scale release of Windows Xp 32/64-bit hybrid, only for AMD in the first quarter on 2003 is very small scale. I think that Intel would have to enter the 64-bit market (which they are, but later) for sure in able for Microsoft to 100% commit a release a new XP edition (I know Microsoft has commited to developing 64-bit XP, but without Intels backing?).
Apple on the other hand loves this $#@%. So do its buyers. It's a totally different market that the PC market. New technology -- which would benefit data intense processing like video editing and photo enhancement -- is a concept that Apple consumers, I think, would eat up. I can hear Steve now, "our new processors are 64-bit for the PowerMac and PB, utilizing totally different technology than the current P4's..."
There is a Hammer consumer and server processor. But I am scetchy to commit that this chips will enter the market and be utilized by whatever PC manufactoring company, using 32/64-bit XP, and selling on a profit making basis (pulling AMD out of @#$% creek) -- especially first quarter 2003.
I tend to believe:
The Gartner Group has stated that it believes that there is not a market for the Opteron, heavly favoring Intel's IA-64 architecture later in 2003. Further, "their predictions indicate that there is no market demand for the hybrid 32/64-bit architecture such as Opteron, and that computing markets will either go all 64-bit or remain at 32-bits."
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