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  • P-Worm
    Sep 20, 07:22 AM
    Well, the shape of the USB port suggests that it is for attaching another device to the iTV, and not for attaching the iTV to your Mac.

    If the iTV doubles-up as an Airport Express, then maybe the USB port is for attaching a printer.

    SL

    Sorry, I was too vague. I meant that there is a lot of talk about how this thing can't be a DVR because there are only output jacks. I don't see why those component and audio jacks can't be both input and output.

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  • Pants
    Oct 9, 11:13 AM
    Originally posted by gopher


    Maybe we have, but nobody has provided compelling evidence to the contrary. The Mac hardware is capable of 18 billion floating calculations a second. Whether the software takes advantage of it that's another issue entirely. If someone is going to argue that Macs don't have good floating point performance, just look at the specs. If they really want good performance and aren't getting it they need to contact their favorite developer to work with the specs and Apple's developer relations. Apple provides the hardware, it is up to developer companies to utilize the hardware the best way they can. If they can't utilize Apple's hardware to its most efficient mode, then they should find better developers.

    If you are going to complain that Apple doesn't have good floating point performance, don't use a PC biased spec like Specfp. Go by actual floating point calculations a second.
    Nobody has shown anything to say that PCs can do more floating point calculations a second. And until someone does I stand by my claim.

    ahhhh...so to get performance from the damned thing, I have to write arcane altivec code yes? well, sorry, I and many like me, neither have the time nor the patience to hand wring performance like this. Jeez, the days of hand optimising code are thankfully long gone, except, it seems with a g4. And we have to of course assume that even this mythical 18 million flops is based on the assumption that we can get the altivec unit supplied with data? hmm... This is not acceptable - spec fp biased? well, yeah, because it doesnt justify your end argument - the fact that most other companies are 'happy' to stand by it is merely justification for its 'biased' nature yeah?

    hmm.....





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  • dante@sisna.com
    Sep 12, 06:27 PM
    Ughh, I really hope that Apple upates this product before releasing it for sale.
    Come one Apple, what about the:
    - TV recording
    - DVD player
    - Built In Storage (Hard Drive)
    - Input for digital cable

    Some analogies:
    - It's like an wireless XBOX 360, except it doesn't play games or DVD's.
    - It's like a networked DVD player, without the DVD player.

    I'd rather spend $300 on almost ANY OTHER electronics product.

    What a disappointment... I guess Apple is just trying to stave off the competition from the media capabilities of Windows Media Center and XBOX.

    I could not disagree more.

    It exceeds the xBox 360 due to the inclusion of HDMI.
    It will play DVD's, for sure, through the desktop server
    It uses the superior FrontRow navigation system
    It has a cleaner appearance than xbox, no power brick, runs quieter and cooler
    Will not crash like the hot running xBox.
    Will be prices slightly cheaper allowing for inclusion on multiple TV's throughout the home
    It does not play games will work in Apple's favor as many parents don't want this feature for their children.

    Digital Cable and TV recording to Hard Disk are handled by the Media SERVER (desktop) using cheap and currently available 3rd party products -- watch for apple to bundle this in the coming year and one half.

    iTV is a winner for sure.





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  • THX1139
    Oct 12, 07:23 PM
    You think Dell will sell them for even less on Black Friday? - November 24 for you unfamiliar with the term.

    ...

    So I'm going to wind up with:

    24" + 20" on both the 2GHz Dual Core (got at Fry's for $864.26 in August) and Quad G5s

    24" + 30" on the 8-Core Mac Pro.

    I like the idea of having a 24" on everything because it is capable of displaying HD in its native resolution - not bigger not smaller.

    But if Dell starts selling the 30" for $999 then all bets are off. :D

    Having never spent any length of time with a 30", it is probably too soon to tell how much I will want two. My hunch is: a lot. :p

    All that and just to jack videos off the cable TV. I would think a combination tivo and digital DVD recorder would be the cheaper solution. ... Whew! Still not sure how you can financially justify all that hardware without some kind of return. Must be an expensive hobby?? :rolleyes:





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  • prady16
    Aug 29, 10:55 AM
    I sure do appreciate Dell for this!
    If only they had making better quality products as their first priority!





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  • CHROMEDOME
    Sep 25, 11:36 PM
    Sweet...Octo-core.





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  • Multimedia
    Oct 28, 07:10 PM
    Monday the 13th Intel announces Clovertown and Kentsfield are shipping.Thanks. So Tuesday the 14th or if not then, the 21st would be our likely days. 14th is probably more likely because all Apple has to do is take orders even if they haven't received any Clovertowns yet and the following week is Thanksgiving-Black Friday week which would mess with their publicity. So we're talking two weeks from Tuesday. Perfect. Can't wait to place my order the same day. :)





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  • NathanMuir
    Mar 24, 09:58 PM
    From the article:

    "But states can and must regulate behaviours, including various sexual behaviours," he said.
    If I said this against blacks (I am of the opinion that one cannot choose their orientation any more than they can choose their race), would I not be 'persecuting' them according to that definition? What if I further said that being black was an abomination, or that being a 'practicing black' was a sin?

    We'd be in a world of **** if what people said could be considered physical acts of persecution.

    I suppose when someone says 'persecute' I think of actual acts of persecution. Not words that are protected, in the US at least, by the First Amendment.

    Now, if the Church was crucifying these people again, well, that would be a different situation entirely.

    I also agree that one cannot choose their sexuality. I've constantly and consistently voiced this opinion on this board.

    1. I'm not gay. Just putting that out there. :D

    Makes no difference to me.

    2. I guess it is hypocritical in a sense: They hate gays for being gay and I hate bigots for being bigoted. Whether or not that puts me on the same level as them is up to you, I guess.

    IMO, it does. A hypocritical statement is a hypocritical statement.

    Here's another way to word what I think dscuber9000 was trying to say ...


    When your beliefs about human nature are based in bigotry, then you will no longer be able to enforce laws based on those beliefs or publicly express your bigoted views without the risk of condemnation.

    You are free to keep them in your thoughts and in conversation with like-minded people. However, if aired publicly, you will probably be reminded of the fact that you are a bigot and wrong.

    I agree mostly.

    I disagree that they are wrong, in their minds of course.

    Are they wrong in your mind? Obviously. Are they wrong in my mind? Yes, because I don't agree with their views. Are they wrong in their minds? No, I don't think so if their views are sincerely held.





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  • wordoflife
    Mar 13, 01:48 AM
    I hope the best for Japan. The pictures and videos are very horrifying and saddening.





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  • GGJstudios
    Apr 13, 03:16 PM
    I'm sure this has been mentioned.

    Connecting other hard drives. I'm only able to read from most (windows) drives.
    FAT32 (File Allocation Table)





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  • aristobrat
    Feb 16, 03:45 PM
    The Android Marketplace is still relatively new.
    The Android Marketplace "opened for business" roughly 90 days after the iTunes App Store did, no?

    07/10/2008 = iTunes App Store launches
    10/22/2008 = Android Marketplace launches





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  • Bill McEnaney
    Mar 27, 04:50 PM
    I think being Catholic is a psychological problem, but it doesn't mean that I have any desire to deny Catholics the same rights as anyone else.
    What rights do you mean: civil ones, merely legal ones, human ones, moral ones, or any combination of these? When I discuss rights with liberal, they seldom say what kinds of rights they're talking about, and they never tell me what a right is as such. Many liberals seem to love ambiguity. Ambiguity confuses me thoroughly. To see why, talk with a few postmodernists who refuse to define their jargon. They refuse to define it because they want to keep reinterpreting it.

    This sentence (or phrase) is completely unintelligible.
    Sorry, I wrote impulsively and didn't proofread what I wrote. Some here say there's no evidence that homosexuality has psychological and/or environmental causes. I think it has both. But it's one thing to say that there's no evidence for what someone believes. It's something else to say that, although there is such evidence, no one has discovered it yet.





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  • jchung
    Mar 18, 11:22 AM
    I can't blame AT&T one bit for trying to protect their network. And as some have already said, those who are trying to game the system are hurting those of us who are being honest by bloating the network unnecessarily.

    I can blame AT&T for this because they don't account for data usage properly.

    See this thread on Apple's forums - http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2450738

    If AT&T could account for data usage properly and show their customers what was using the data, then I would say ALMOST say its ok for AT&T to do this (other than the fact they just automatically sign you up instead of having you opt in).





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  • KindredMAC
    Sep 12, 08:37 PM
    Could this actually be the Mac Home or iHome resurrection of the name of the fake product that came out a couple of years ago????





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  • gorgeousninja
    Apr 21, 08:58 AM
    What's wrong with that? I may not own a particular product but like being in X products forums to learn about it.

    in your case 'learning about a product' seems to revolve around telling everyone how misguided they are.
    maybe you need to look up the definition of learning.





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  • bugfaceuk
    Apr 9, 09:12 AM
    I liked reading your post. I pretty much agree with you wrote. I think Nintendo is scared about the falling price of software. That's where their money comes from. For almost three decades, Nintendo has been making a lot of money by releasing consoles to sell their software at a premium.

    An excellent example... is Urban Champion on Wiiware really worth $5?
    That's madness! A title like that would get crushed on the iTunes App Store.

    Although... I think iOS is geared more towards casual games, because that's easier to create on the system. Yet, I'm investing time and money in seeing if there is a market for "hardcore" games. I think there is. That's why I'm building BOT (http://photics.com/bot-game-design-and-progress-reports).

    Apple is one step away from crushing Nintendo... that's adding an App Store to the Apple TV.

    This hardcore vs. casual debate misses the main point. Nintendo was seen as the more casual of the big three console makers. Yet, Nintendo dominated the first few years of this generation's console war. If Apple enters this arena, it's big trouble for Nintendo... and the other console makers.

    Heh, but as a developer, it's really cool for me. Apple has built something amazing here. Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo... they could have made it easier for independent developers, but they didn't. Apple is now in a great position to dramatically change the way the industry works � and I think it's for the better.

    I wandered into Best Buy last Christmas season and I saw the game of life in 3D on the XBOX. I thought it was a great way to modernize a classic game. I was getting ready to buy the XBOX 360. But then, lots of great iOS games started going on sale for 99� each. I bought nine... NINE NEW GAMES for less than $10.

    If Nintendo doesn't adapt, it could be big trouble for them. I've seen the 3DS (http://photics.com/nintendo-3ds-a-surprising-disappointment) and I'm not impressed. I think the iPhone 4 is a much better portable gaming machine.

    Dude, Nintendo is not about to be crushed by Apple. That suggest a REAL lack of understanding about any market, let alone this one and this player.

    Nintendo does need to adapt, but it could do that in a number of ways that would see it remain successful and a core contributor. I happen to believe their core competence is in developing games, and they would be well served on iOS.

    I'm sorry, I don't judge the quality of a game by how cheap it is. EVEN IF YOU PUT IT IN CAPS.





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  • cnorth3
    Oct 7, 02:30 PM
    yet all the one advantage the apple model has it killed by the fact that how difficult it is to get an app approved and no way to directly sell it to the consumer.

    That is what going to hurt apple in the good devs leaving. The best devs are starting to get fed up with apple system and looking elsewhere.

    Yeah, it's almost impossible to get an app approved (other than the 70k that have already been approved):rolleyes: And sure, most devs would much rather sell direct than have to put up with all the visibility and market power of the App Store. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Apple is such a nuisance!





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  • Popeye206
    Apr 15, 09:20 AM
    This is good to see. Seems as though teens are under many social pressures that didn't seem to exist when I was a teen (in the 70's). Knowing there is a light at the end of the tunnel may help a few from making the ultimate bad choice.

    Good on Apple, all the other companies, and the employees for participating in this type of project.





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  • cartwagon
    Sep 20, 01:32 AM
    I hate to be the first to post a negative but here it is. I don't think this will be overly expensive, but I also think we will be underwhelmed with it's features. Wireless is not that important to me. There are many wires back there already. It sounds like it will not have HDMI or TiVo features, and it will play movies out of iTunes, which screams to me that it will only play .mp4 and .m4v files much like my 5G iPod. If it cannot browse my my mac or firedrive, cannot stream from them, cannot play .avi, .wmw, .rm or VCD, then it will not replace my 4 year old xbox. Which itself has a 120Gig drive and a remote. Unless we are all sorely mistaken about what iTV will end up being, and it ends up adding these features (as someone above me noted, hoping Apple would read this forum) I will wait. Honestly, I am far more excited over the prospect of the MacBook Pros hopefully switching to Core 2 Duos before year end. Then I will have a much more powerful machine slung to my firedrive, router, xbox and tv. :)

    Edit:
    @Ino: Yes, you are correct, I wrote this yesterday before seeing that diagram. However, it has an HDMI output, but the iTunes store only puts out normal TV quality(currently). In essence, unless you are using Handbrake to make your own rips above 640x480, you can use your HDMI output and it does not matter. Since Job's whole plan here is to make us buy iTV and then only be able to buy from iTunes, this is very relevant. I know this release is months away and things may change before then. Whom do you think apple will bed with, HD-DVD or Blu-Ray?

    @ Project: Quicktime can do .wmv with Flip4Mac, but cannot play .avi. (or .bin or .rm) . The 3ivx codec patch only works for some avi files. There is a convoluted way to use DivX doctor to make .mov files, but there is no reason to bother. MPlayer and VLC take care of everything. My point is that I don't think I need to pay $299US for something that does only a third of what my xbox already does, and I also don't need to pay this exorbitant amount for the privilege of boxing myself into a corner where I can only buy movies from the iTunes store. Even if I wasn't using my xbox to stream and play everything, I'd still save my money and press play on MPlayer and then sit down. Know what I mean? We all have a way of playing media on our TVs already, even if it's a total welfare solution like $6 worth of RCA cable. I am usually pretty pro-apple, but I need to be more impressed to drop that kind of money on something like this.
    Much love for you all,
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    Bill McEnaney
    Mar 28, 03:22 AM
    Then you don't accept us as we are. All of us are what we do. That's the measure of any human being. We can all say all kinds of things, but in the end, what we do is what matters.
    Then I don't know what you mean by "accept."





    sinisterdesign
    Jul 11, 11:06 PM
    from my source, i can confirm that they will indeed have 2 dual cores.

    i've also been told that the case has only minor changes, which kind of sucks. i'm hoping it's still smaller than the big chunk of aluminum under my desk.





    brianus
    Oct 3, 09:30 AM
    Not helpful and wrong.

    The most efficent use of the riser slots are dual rank FB-DIMMs and 4 of them. So 4 1GB sticks or 4 2GB sticks.

    Four FB-DIMMs is the sweet spot between memory bandwidth and latency, based on tests.

    Hey just curious about your sig, how is your 1TB RAID set up in the Mac Pro?





    skunk
    Mar 26, 02:37 PM
    Ciaociao's Latin expression wasn't a phrase. It was a complete sentence that meant, "This is a sign of contradiction, brother." In the Bible "a sign of contradiction" means "someone to oppose" or "something to oppose." Our Lord was a sign of contradiction because his enemies opposed him.A sentence is also a phrase: all sentences are phrases, but not all phrases are sentences. However, frater, my Latin does not include either subcribo (unless of course he was looking up "sign" and found the word for to sign beneath or subscribe(!)), or of, or a as an indefinite article, for that matter. You could try Id est signum contradictionis, which might make slightly more sense, even in the Vatican. Actually, the id is optional. Hence dog Latin, frater.





    robotx21
    Sep 20, 01:38 PM
    I think iTV is a waste of time and money for apple. In essence, the mac mini can do ALL OF THAT, plus more, minus the ability to go out via HDMI. If apple just upgraded FRONT ROW to the quality of the iTV user interface, you have an iTV right there on the mac mini! Just add some more ports, including HDMI, cable in for DVR recording, a massive hard drive, and you have a MAC MEDIA CENTER PC! What about connecting to other machines to share content? YOU CAN ALREADY DO THAT!!! In iTunes you say "share my media on my network" and any computer with iTunes can read that information! Come on apple...this iTV thing is a WASTE. It's a dumb down mac mini...apple will make way more money selling mac mini's with TIGER/LEOPARD on it, so not only would you get a DVR, STREAMING MOVIES, DOWNLOADABLE MOVIES TO PLAY ON YOUR TV, but you get WEB TV!!! Or edit a MOVIE ON YOUR BIG ASS TV! Sorry for the rant...I just don't know why apple doesn't merge both technologies together in one system to compete with media center pc, and convert MORE mac sales.



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