Chaszmyr
Oct 8, 03:56 PM
Just a typo I am sure. (A typo I have made myself once even). PowerMacs deffinately wont be updated any time soon.
dpaanlka
Aug 15, 03:55 AM
Sadly it doesn't even seem to want to connect any more...
Frown :(
Shame... I have soooo many PowerPC Macs just lying around being sad.
Frown :(
Shame... I have soooo many PowerPC Macs just lying around being sad.
javajedi
Oct 12, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by ddtlm
Anyway I've had my fun here for now. I think it is settled that the G4 does poorly at this particular float test. I've done everything I can think of and gone though all sorts of variations of the loop trying to increase the IPC but I could never make significant headway on either the PC or the Mac.
That said, this test is essentialy a test where we do 400000000 double precision square roots which we don't even store and nothing else. There are no memory access, only very predictable branches. I have radically changed the loop and compiler flags and essentially nothing besides the sqrt() makes any difference.
I do not regard this test as important in the overall picture. It does not illustrate anything important to anyone, unless someone sits around doing square roots all day.
I might also add that designing a meaningful benchmark is very hard. I think SPEC is about as good as it gets, and yes the G4 looses in floats there too. :)
I'm in the process of figuring out vMathLib. I'm a Java guy, so all this Altivec stuff looks totally foreign to me :(
Never the less, once I get it working, I'll share the results with you folks.
Also: If anyone here wants me to try something, G3 vs G4, or whatever, aside from the square root and integer mult, let me know. I'd actually like to make full featured cocoa app full of test suites.
Anyway I've had my fun here for now. I think it is settled that the G4 does poorly at this particular float test. I've done everything I can think of and gone though all sorts of variations of the loop trying to increase the IPC but I could never make significant headway on either the PC or the Mac.
That said, this test is essentialy a test where we do 400000000 double precision square roots which we don't even store and nothing else. There are no memory access, only very predictable branches. I have radically changed the loop and compiler flags and essentially nothing besides the sqrt() makes any difference.
I do not regard this test as important in the overall picture. It does not illustrate anything important to anyone, unless someone sits around doing square roots all day.
I might also add that designing a meaningful benchmark is very hard. I think SPEC is about as good as it gets, and yes the G4 looses in floats there too. :)
I'm in the process of figuring out vMathLib. I'm a Java guy, so all this Altivec stuff looks totally foreign to me :(
Never the less, once I get it working, I'll share the results with you folks.
Also: If anyone here wants me to try something, G3 vs G4, or whatever, aside from the square root and integer mult, let me know. I'd actually like to make full featured cocoa app full of test suites.
brap
Jan 13, 06:08 PM
So has anyone actually used this yet?
Or is everyone using QemuX? (Which is horribly buggy on my Powerbook, at least)
Or is everyone using QemuX? (Which is horribly buggy on my Powerbook, at least)
AmigoMac
Oct 20, 03:22 AM
Adium all the way, I was trying to go with Fire, but the easy of use is not there, the Duck rules...
shamino
Oct 6, 03:59 PM
Interesting, I use Westpac (although I'm in NZ, not Australia), and I haven't had any problems whatsoever with Safari.
With both Mozilla and Safari (don't know about Firefox), there are undocumented procedures to enable a "debug" menu which will (among other things) let you configure the browser to lie about its identity.
In many cases (but not all), this is enough to make an unfriendly web site work. Many times, the site contains scripts that simply check a browser version, even when the actual page content will run everywhere else.
With both Mozilla and Safari (don't know about Firefox), there are undocumented procedures to enable a "debug" menu which will (among other things) let you configure the browser to lie about its identity.
In many cases (but not all), this is enough to make an unfriendly web site work. Many times, the site contains scripts that simply check a browser version, even when the actual page content will run everywhere else.
impierced
Oct 22, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by technocoy
but if you read all the post he is retarded, he keeps quoting these unlimited sources, and yet he seems to be a college student or something, how could he have 4 or five dependable apple sources?? He also said that they are releasing G4 iBooks along with the powerbooks... c'mon, dude is on crack. no way in hell there will be a g4 iBook AND powerbook unless the powerbook was dual (and we know that aint happening)
technocoy
Let me clarify a few things regarding seanyepez at MacNN forums:
1. He initially quoted two independent sources and said he wouldn't have come forward unless they both provided him with the same information, which they apparently did. Then said a third backed up the previous two. Not 4 or 5.
2. He is actually 14 or 15 years old and not in college.
3. He has his email address in his sig file so he's really going to take a beating if he isn't correct at least on an announcement.
For the record I'm extremely skeptical, but until tomorrow rolls around nobody knows what's going to be announced, if anything.
Contradicting sean, someone else in the forum is saying an announcement will be comming the first week of November and the iBook will remain with a G3 processor and the PowerBook G4 will in have a Superdrive but none will have Bluetooth on the motherboard.
but if you read all the post he is retarded, he keeps quoting these unlimited sources, and yet he seems to be a college student or something, how could he have 4 or five dependable apple sources?? He also said that they are releasing G4 iBooks along with the powerbooks... c'mon, dude is on crack. no way in hell there will be a g4 iBook AND powerbook unless the powerbook was dual (and we know that aint happening)
technocoy
Let me clarify a few things regarding seanyepez at MacNN forums:
1. He initially quoted two independent sources and said he wouldn't have come forward unless they both provided him with the same information, which they apparently did. Then said a third backed up the previous two. Not 4 or 5.
2. He is actually 14 or 15 years old and not in college.
3. He has his email address in his sig file so he's really going to take a beating if he isn't correct at least on an announcement.
For the record I'm extremely skeptical, but until tomorrow rolls around nobody knows what's going to be announced, if anything.
Contradicting sean, someone else in the forum is saying an announcement will be comming the first week of November and the iBook will remain with a G3 processor and the PowerBook G4 will in have a Superdrive but none will have Bluetooth on the motherboard.
skoker
Jun 2, 07:22 AM
What kind of school group was it?
What did you and others who didn't get stuck do while waiting for those that did get stuck?
What did those who got stuck tell you about the experience later?
Did any of them get interviewed by the media?
Did Apple explain what happened? Did they apologize or make any other nice gestures? Do you think they handled it as well as they could?
Will you ever go back there?
n00b burn of the week!
What did you and others who didn't get stuck do while waiting for those that did get stuck?
What did those who got stuck tell you about the experience later?
Did any of them get interviewed by the media?
Did Apple explain what happened? Did they apologize or make any other nice gestures? Do you think they handled it as well as they could?
Will you ever go back there?
n00b burn of the week!
OscarTheGrouch
Mar 22, 12:44 PM
So what exactly is the point of posting in this thread then? This is for WoW players. WoW can be an enjoyable game - my wife and I play it together, probably 4 hours per week.
True enough, people can get addicted, but that's not what I'm discussing at all.
So if you haven't got anything to say regarding this thread topic, take it somewhere else!
My wife and I also play.. sometimes together sometimes not. We have 2 mains that we only play together... Sometimes we play 3 hours a night, sometimes neither one of us plays for 2 weeks. its a "in the mood" thing.. kinda like... lovin lol.
True enough, people can get addicted, but that's not what I'm discussing at all.
So if you haven't got anything to say regarding this thread topic, take it somewhere else!
My wife and I also play.. sometimes together sometimes not. We have 2 mains that we only play together... Sometimes we play 3 hours a night, sometimes neither one of us plays for 2 weeks. its a "in the mood" thing.. kinda like... lovin lol.
GFLPraxis
Mar 19, 01:01 AM
I doubt SNK was telling the truth, but I'll continue to say it; we're not going to have any online third party games until Nintendo gets a first party game out there. At this rate, the first one is going to be either Pokemon Battle Revolution, Super Mario Strikers Charged, or BWii.
Pokemon is tentatively scheduled for June 25th by IGN's (often innaccurate) listing. I'd say that's the soonest to expect online play :(
This then brings us to Pokemon Revolution as the first and only video game on the Wii, as of yet, that will have the above-mentioned feature.
This is incorrect; Smash Bros, Strikers, and BWii have all been stated to have online play, and BWii's LAN capabilities were demoed at Leipzig.
However, Pokemon is the only one to even have a suggested release date, so it'll probably be the first.
Pokemon is tentatively scheduled for June 25th by IGN's (often innaccurate) listing. I'd say that's the soonest to expect online play :(
This then brings us to Pokemon Revolution as the first and only video game on the Wii, as of yet, that will have the above-mentioned feature.
This is incorrect; Smash Bros, Strikers, and BWii have all been stated to have online play, and BWii's LAN capabilities were demoed at Leipzig.
However, Pokemon is the only one to even have a suggested release date, so it'll probably be the first.
Diatribe
Jan 4, 10:10 AM
WOW. Those prices are pretty great!
Now when exactly did you get your iMac G5? Oh well, I guess prices are never safe, but now it's gonna be tough to sell my 12" to get a 15" without paying a huge upgrade price. :(
Now when exactly did you get your iMac G5? Oh well, I guess prices are never safe, but now it's gonna be tough to sell my 12" to get a 15" without paying a huge upgrade price. :(
SilentPanda
Jul 19, 02:51 AM
Is there a mirror for the mc68k scripts? The page doesn't load at all for me... :(
Macmaniac
Mar 26, 06:18 PM
06-18-2001
I havent been arround in a long time. The site even looks diffrent!
eyelikeart - your still arround? Good to see some familure Mac Heads
-evildead
Whoa you have not been around for a long time, I wondered what happened to u, I used to compete with you on post count. Welcome back:)
I havent been arround in a long time. The site even looks diffrent!
eyelikeart - your still arround? Good to see some familure Mac Heads
-evildead
Whoa you have not been around for a long time, I wondered what happened to u, I used to compete with you on post count. Welcome back:)
munkle
Mar 16, 02:31 PM
nothing for me either, oh well, fun while it lasted i suppose
Odd, I just clicked on it and it's working fine.
Here's a screenshot:
Odd, I just clicked on it and it's working fine.
Here's a screenshot:
MacCoaster
Sep 22, 07:02 AM
Originally posted by SilvorX
no, mac15 was just confused lol, whistler (aka hexpee) is the famous mountains and town up in canada...how dare they tarnish the famous skiing resort and town...the upcoming winblowz os in a few years longhorn is named after a cafe in whistler, and blackcomb is the name of the town right beside whistler....
Hah, seriously? Interesting...
no, mac15 was just confused lol, whistler (aka hexpee) is the famous mountains and town up in canada...how dare they tarnish the famous skiing resort and town...the upcoming winblowz os in a few years longhorn is named after a cafe in whistler, and blackcomb is the name of the town right beside whistler....
Hah, seriously? Interesting...
princealfie
Apr 3, 03:58 PM
actually the windows marketing must be good because people buy into their deception...
XIII
Apr 21, 12:25 PM
Very funny, thanks. :D The Onion is goooood. :)
jaysmith
Jun 8, 04:45 PM
i'm sure apple is soon going to be changing the "iMac" to the new "MacMac" to keep up the continuity.
gopher
Sep 30, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by MacCoaster
Uh. Law of averages and law of means are the same. :p
Averages or more scientifically proper--means--by themselves are worth almost nothing in real life statistics except as a "point" in here and there, but IMHO the median is more significant than mean. I have yet to see a normalized distribution, a linear regression, a standardized distribution, or anything other than just the mean. If everyone used SPEC [http://www.specbench.org/] to benchmark computers, it would make life much simpler in benchmark statistics. Now to find out in a pretty much standard benchmarking suite [SPEC] what σ [standard deviation, in this case] are for all computers measured to figure out what area the Power Macs are in--in percentiles and compare to the rest of the computers tested. Now that'd be a lot more significant.
Yes I know about that redundancy of means and averages, but I've also heard them spoken in the same sentence before as well in that manner. Though Spec benchmarks are based on tests that assume processes that have zero errors, a non-realistic assumption, and thus don't show what really can happen to code on a Pentium vs. a G4. They unfairly bias the Pentium because its very weakness is its error checking which gets stuck in its more numerous stages. Most all code you are going to run across has some minor errors, and it is up to the processor to decide whether or not they are significant enough to terminate the program. I wouldn't trust a benchmark unless it used realistic code.
Uh. Law of averages and law of means are the same. :p
Averages or more scientifically proper--means--by themselves are worth almost nothing in real life statistics except as a "point" in here and there, but IMHO the median is more significant than mean. I have yet to see a normalized distribution, a linear regression, a standardized distribution, or anything other than just the mean. If everyone used SPEC [http://www.specbench.org/] to benchmark computers, it would make life much simpler in benchmark statistics. Now to find out in a pretty much standard benchmarking suite [SPEC] what σ [standard deviation, in this case] are for all computers measured to figure out what area the Power Macs are in--in percentiles and compare to the rest of the computers tested. Now that'd be a lot more significant.
Yes I know about that redundancy of means and averages, but I've also heard them spoken in the same sentence before as well in that manner. Though Spec benchmarks are based on tests that assume processes that have zero errors, a non-realistic assumption, and thus don't show what really can happen to code on a Pentium vs. a G4. They unfairly bias the Pentium because its very weakness is its error checking which gets stuck in its more numerous stages. Most all code you are going to run across has some minor errors, and it is up to the processor to decide whether or not they are significant enough to terminate the program. I wouldn't trust a benchmark unless it used realistic code.
Dunepilot
Sep 15, 05:01 AM
Was Apple P58 the guy who sent us the pdf of the new G4 towers, and then got attacked for supposedly being unreliable?
alex_ant
Oct 9, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by gopher
Only we have some people come on this board who claim that the Mac is much slower. For what purpose?
To show people that Macs are not as fast as Apple claims them to be, and to send Apple a message that they need to get their hardware in gear already. "We" want Apple to succeed as much as you do. What we don't want is for Apple to become complacent, as it has recently, and sell nothing but high-priced boxes full of yesterday's technology. (PC100/133 across the board, and crippled DDR in the Power Macs. No Firewire2, no USB2, no ATA-133. Is this 2002 or is it 1999?)
And Arne, if you are reading these boards, please delete clearly PC biased hate posts ASAP.
Silence your opposition - fabulous.
Only we have some people come on this board who claim that the Mac is much slower. For what purpose?
To show people that Macs are not as fast as Apple claims them to be, and to send Apple a message that they need to get their hardware in gear already. "We" want Apple to succeed as much as you do. What we don't want is for Apple to become complacent, as it has recently, and sell nothing but high-priced boxes full of yesterday's technology. (PC100/133 across the board, and crippled DDR in the Power Macs. No Firewire2, no USB2, no ATA-133. Is this 2002 or is it 1999?)
And Arne, if you are reading these boards, please delete clearly PC biased hate posts ASAP.
Silence your opposition - fabulous.
jefhatfield
Oct 29, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by TheFink
The speed issue will ALWAYS be an issue.
but will it be a top five issue, a top ten issue, or just some issue way down on the list?
at 100 ghz, will we care?
The speed issue will ALWAYS be an issue.
but will it be a top five issue, a top ten issue, or just some issue way down on the list?
at 100 ghz, will we care?
JackSYi
Jun 15, 07:20 PM
Dont mean to be rude but this is old news. Get over it Apple does it too...though not as much.
10.5 will rock vista no worries my friend.
Yeah, this is just the means to take out my RAGE. lol j/k. Yeah 10.5 WILL rock and whatever Vista becomes we'll have it on our Macs too.
10.5 will rock vista no worries my friend.
Yeah, this is just the means to take out my RAGE. lol j/k. Yeah 10.5 WILL rock and whatever Vista becomes we'll have it on our Macs too.
Over Achiever
Oct 21, 05:51 PM
Um...I don't know what to say.
7.4"? That sounds familiar...its smaller than the ti-books right now, and even smaller than the current iBooks.
Is this the lame attempt in Photoshop for an ebook? And why would it be a powerbook?
Grr.
7.4"? That sounds familiar...its smaller than the ti-books right now, and even smaller than the current iBooks.
Is this the lame attempt in Photoshop for an ebook? And why would it be a powerbook?
Grr.
No comments:
Post a Comment